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Rob Prange
12-10-2011, 17:45
Slightly Mad Studios have signed an agreement with Motorsport Vision to include four of their British Circuits in C.A.R.S.

The tracks will be laser-scanned for a maximum of authenticity and accuracy. To find out more about the four new tracks, follow the link to the frontpage story below.

Four Motorsport Vision Tracks Coming to C.A.R.S. (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/four-motorsport-vision-tracks-coming-to-c-a-r-s/)

Stop It
13-10-2011, 18:25
That's fantastic news.

As a follower of the BTCC. These tracks, 3 of which are all used for the championship are dear to me (And of course the new Snetterton track is pretty awesome too) and I can't wait to see them in all their laser scanned glory in C.A.R.S.

Luke Russell
13-10-2011, 23:04
That's fantastic news.

Big Ron
14-10-2011, 13:25
Awesome news. Brithish race tracks are very popular and well designed with it´s own character and atmosphere.

Alessandro Gamberini
14-10-2011, 13:56
all that four are in my favourite track list !!

another nice shot from mad studios

thanks

FreeJRS
14-10-2011, 14:41
Would love to see historic versions of Oulton and Cadwell. :-)

Lorenzo Bandini
14-10-2011, 15:12
Would love to see historic versions of Oulton and Cadwell. :-)

Yes, yes, and thrice yes.

xwelder
15-10-2011, 03:59
excellent news for sure

3316V
15-10-2011, 04:30
OMG, Cadwell park.

Thierry81
15-10-2011, 05:21
Good news, tracks very popular.

Barnestah
15-10-2011, 07:29
This is brilliant news indeed some of the best UK tracks already. I love BTCC & DTM but it would be fantastic if there was some Rally cross at a later date ;)

bigmike20vt
16-10-2011, 18:38
awesome news, love brands hatch and Oulton Park is only a few miles from where I grew up (and where my parents still live) you can sometimes hear the cars in the distance when a race is on.

Spyder
17-10-2011, 20:39
I'd personally love to see castle coombe in the track roster, I had a costly "off" at that place in a Marcos Mantis GT car at a track day and have been too scared to go back ever since!

gtp_demonblade
17-10-2011, 23:04
Great news indeed. Oulton Park is one of my favourites, although it did claim my R1 a few years ago :(

HeraBrasil
24-10-2011, 12:31
Anxious to drive on it....

Scott Krajick
30-10-2011, 14:36
I love cadwell!!! thanks

Toonces
30-10-2011, 14:53
Would love to see historic versions of Oulton and Cadwell. :-)

Second that. Let's take a page from iRacing here. Despite the fact that they seem rigidly dedicated to that which is, rather than that which has been (never mind that which might have been or that which is yet to be), their ver of Oulton will actually include the wonderful historic variations without all the fiddly, buzz-killing chicanes. (Okay, maybe that's because all the pavement is still there so they can aim their laser cannon at it.)

My main squeeze for historic fidelity would be Imola. Most of the original pavement is still there too (as it is at Monza, ca. 1967); very little of it has actually been ripped up. It would be very little extra work to do a multi-layout ver of the San Marino GP venue, pre- and post-Senna. You haven't lived, my friends, until you've sailed around the old Imola, which has the same Wagnerian rhythms as Bridgehampton...that is to say, flat out, heuvos to the wall.

Come to think, most of the wonderful Solitude GP circuit is still there too (and few licensing probs; it's all public roads).

Baz
30-10-2011, 15:33
I'd personally love to see castle coombe in the track roster, I had a costly "off" at that place in a Marcos Mantis GT car at a track day and have been too scared to go back ever since!

I would second that a great club circuit, and great racing.

Toonces
30-10-2011, 16:54
I would second that a great club circuit, and great racing.

Castle Combe and Crystal Palace, the greatest club-racing circuit ever, IMO.

Aris
30-10-2011, 18:31
Just keeps getting better & better :)

Alec Barker
01-11-2011, 22:57
I'd personally love to see castle coombe in the track roster, I had a costly "off" at that place in a Marcos Mantis GT car at a track day and have been too scared to go back ever since!

I second that! I live in Chippenham so am only about a 10 minute drive from the circuit. I have been there as a spectator countless times, and have been lucky enough to drive a Formula Ford around it. Will never forget that experience, and it would be great to be able to relive it in C.A.R.S.

Owen581
25-11-2011, 11:10
I cant wait to see Cadwell park and Brands Hatch in all there glory on C.A.R.S. :D

Once again thank you Slightly Mad Studios for making this happen!

Uff
16-10-2012, 05:59
While reading this forum, these 4 tracks came to my mind again. We haven't been receiving news about them in a long time (unless I missed them), so I was curious to know if there's any progress on this side, considering that these should be the first laser scanned tracks available in pCARS.
Do you have something to report us? :)

Bruno Alexandre
16-10-2012, 08:42
Probably it is still raining :>

FLX81
16-10-2012, 12:17
I have to second Uffs question. Of course I know znilf about the schedule and process but to me it would seem logically to get them in asap. Not only to have laser scanned tracks in the game (PR, PR... could cause quite a buzz) but also to see which method brings better/faster results which might be beneficial to the rest of the development.

Steve Loader
16-10-2012, 12:22
Been aching for Brands :) :) :)

Lewis Hills
18-10-2012, 19:20
Been aching for Brands :) :) :)

Yeeep. SMS might lose a moderator if they add it, I'd spend all day playing :p

Ian Bell
18-10-2012, 19:21
We'll be moving on these soon guys.

Dillyracer
18-10-2012, 19:34
We'll be moving on these soon guys.

YES!

These tracks all hold a special place in my memory, since they remind me of my first racing experience in Toca Touring Car Championship.

Lewis Hills
18-10-2012, 19:45
http://mockeryoflife.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/jake.gif

Raphael Klapczynski
18-10-2012, 19:47
Do you add any kind of icon ingame, to show that they are laserscanned?

PS: Fantastic news!

gogoger
18-10-2012, 19:53
what a prospect :a37::a37::yes: :yes:

Umer Ahmad
18-10-2012, 20:17
Do you add any kind of icon ingame, to show that they are laserscanned?
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Big Ron
18-10-2012, 20:39
Do you add any kind of icon ingame, to show that they are laserscanned?

PS: Fantastic news!

For what? That´s like: "hey, we have accurate tracks, too." All tracks are fantastic made. So giving an extra advice for laser scanned tracks would be a letdown for the rest.

Mihkel Kytt
18-10-2012, 20:52
I agree with you Big Ron but what is the point of LS if we not point it out? As i understand LS is more likely for marketing than real benefit for track creation in terms of money. We need big stickers everywhere :)

Big Ron
18-10-2012, 20:57
As i understand LS is more likely for marketing than real benefit for track creation in terms of money. We need big stickers everywhere :)

If people want it for marketing purposes, SMS can write it on the DVD cover or the backside. But it would feel bad to see stickers in the menu extra for the LS-tracks.

Patrik Marek
18-10-2012, 21:01
now all we need is some touring race car :)
great news indeed

laser scanning yes though! .. it will give us all the bumps, that are hard to re-create just from photos. but also agree that I wouldn't put icon to it or anything

Mohammed El Gueriri
18-10-2012, 21:03
Slightly Mad Studios have signed an agreement with Motorsport Vision to include four of their British Circuits in C.A.R.S.

The tracks will be laser-scanned for a maximum of authenticity and accuracy. To find out more about the four new tracks, follow the link to the frontpage story below.

Four Motorsport Vision Tracks Coming to C.A.R.S. (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/four-motorsport-vision-tracks-coming-to-c-a-r-s/)

Rob,

That's great news. Can we have some insight/info on how you guys perform the laser-scanning and the process of designing a track for the game?

Maybe it's an idea to pick a subject on developing project cars (or game developing in general) every month or so and give some insight/info on that subject. I'm not sure if other people would like this as well, but I'd definitely do. Sort of give the community (even) more insight in the game and the development.

Lewis Hills
18-10-2012, 21:07
I agree with you Big Ron but what is the point of LS if we not point it out? As i understand LS is more likely for marketing than real benefit for track creation in terms of money. We need big stickers everywhere :)

The point of it is accuracy in simulation, not making money. There have been long debates in the past with regards to the return on investment with laser scanning, but right now it's widely accepted to be the most accurate method. Personally I have faith enough in the track artists, but that's not what this thread is for, so let's end that discussion before it starts!

The term laser scanning should not be the basis of a marketing campaign - But the accuracy of the tracks themselves, with LS as a method of achieving that. If this priority ever became reversed, we'd be no better than EA IMO.


Rob,

That's great news. Can we have some insight/info on how you guys perform the laser-scanning and the process of designing a track for the game?

Maybe it's an idea to pick a subject on developing project cars (or game developing in general) every month or so and give some insight/info on that subject. I'm not sure if other people would like this as well, but I'd definitely do. Sort of give the community (even) more insight in the game and the development.

Let's try to keep the Laser Scanning discussion to its own thread in the Tracks forum please :) There's not a specific one right now, but feel free to create one if you have particular questions.

Dimahoo
18-10-2012, 22:12
Cadwell is going to be amazing with smaller cars.

Lewis Hills
18-10-2012, 22:15
Cadwell is going to be amazing with smaller cars.

Looking forward to launching the Radicals over The Mountain :p Doubt you'd get quite the same results, but I'll bet it's fun!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkMfI8UII2c

Micas
19-10-2012, 00:31
I'm concerned that SMS won't be able to get these tracks into the game in time for shipping the game next year.

Oh wait.. no I'm not.

Alejandro Gorgal
19-10-2012, 01:31
I'm concerned that SMS won't be able to get these tracks into the game in time for shipping the game next year.

Oh wait.. no I'm not.

Im more concerned about the ever growing car count, there's about 30 cars or so left to do. If all fails, I guess they can always be added as free or paid DLC post launch.

Dan Blamey
19-10-2012, 02:01
Im more concerned about the ever growing car count, there's about 30 cars or so left to do. If all fails, I guess they can always be added as free or paid DLC post launch.

You never know how many cars already have progressed a fair way and just not been shown yet...

Uff
19-10-2012, 06:26
We'll be moving on these soon guys.

Very good news! It will be interesting to drive this tracks with STM!

MaRKuS
19-10-2012, 09:16
Fantastic:D

Machinaea
19-10-2012, 09:18
We'll be moving on these soon guys.
What's happening with the laser scanning?

Anyway, fantastic news, I can't wait to see Brands Hatch in pCars.

Pugamall
19-10-2012, 09:41
A large field full of Rookies or Sierra RS500 Cosworths, round Brands,

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

:a44:

Ade McCordick
19-10-2012, 09:49
Ahh, Brands Hatch, my only experience being rFactor Pro at an event at Centre Parcs earlier this year. The owner was raving about the 'state-of-the-art graphics'; I was underwhelmed. Needless to say, I very much look forward to racing here with the full PCars treatment.

Piotr Kedziorko
19-10-2012, 10:26
Give me Brands Hatch and my life is complete.

FLX81
19-10-2012, 10:28
I love Brands Hatch but Cadwell is the one of those four tracks that I m looking forward to the most. Its already unreal amounts of fun as a mod for M3 Challenge - that track in pCARS glory with the Rookie, Mono or Racers will be... oh snap, I ran out of superlatives! Again! :D

ZiggyUK
19-10-2012, 10:40
Brands Hatch only 30min drive for me so if reference is needed for anything then I am there for you. Obviously can't wait for this inclusion being my local track. Often watched Rookie, F1, F3, GT1, GT3, Radicals, Caterhams, mini's you name it I have seen it race around that circuit and to finally be able to have a worth while Sim that will do it justice is a dream come true.

C3PO
21-10-2012, 10:55
Awesome! Brands Hatch will be brilliant in the X4.

Will Fly
21-10-2012, 12:36
brands is my home track as well,I can hear them skidding from my house lol:D

ZiggyUK
25-10-2012, 03:19
brands is my home track as well,I can hear them skidding from my house lol:D

Now that's just showing off, being able to walk to the track .. you lucky sod

Lewis Hills
25-10-2012, 04:15
My mum used to work in a hospital right near Brands, apparently all the very close residents get an all year pass?

ZiggyUK
25-10-2012, 04:18
My mum used to work in a hospital right near Brands, apparently all the very close residents get an all year pass?

Yep it was some agreement made many years ago, stops them complaining about the noise

wizza
25-10-2012, 08:59
sounds like a good agreement to me . Cant wait to see Oulton in game its my local been going there for nearly 30yrs now :D

Pugamall
25-10-2012, 09:13
Yep it was some agreement made many years ago, stops them complaining about the noise

I'm moving then !

FLX81
25-10-2012, 11:18
I was working at Grundig some years ago, the company HQs are located directly at the first hairpin of the Norisring. The sound of DTM training while working... Oh my!

As its a public road, I went on the first part of the track every morning with my bike while going to work and on the second part when going home. I even cycled around it at full speed once, forgot my time, though. :a11:

77_HAN
26-10-2012, 07:49
I love these tracks. Can`t wait to see them in the game.

morfmedia
12-11-2012, 21:00
Great work, awesome for us :)

Max Franchelli
22-01-2013, 11:30
between what we see?

Mark Silcock
22-01-2013, 11:30
Question for SMS, have you already got a contractor signed up for the scanning work?

I would like the company I work with to price the work if it is still possible. http://www.towersurveys.co.uk/

Cheers

ZiggyUK
23-01-2013, 10:36
Question for SMS, have you already got a contractor signed up for the scanning work?

I would like the company I work with to price the work if it is still possible. http://www.towersurveys.co.uk/

Cheers

You have a long way to travel to get to work each day then !

Mark Silcock
23-01-2013, 10:37
You have a long way to travel to get to work each day then !

I should change that. Based in Nottingham now :(

Joris GvK
27-01-2013, 16:32
Things keep getting better and better.... Excellent work SMS !!:congratulatory:

Andrew Clark
28-01-2013, 14:58
It would be nice to include historics where ever warrented and what can be achieved within the time frame. I would like to see Historic not Watkins Glen just something about crashing into hay bails does it for me. Hmmm must be my youth with girls in the barn.:o
Would love to see historic versions of Oulton and Cadwell. :-)

Dillyracer
29-01-2013, 10:50
I'm still so hyped for these tracks, still no indication when work on one of these might start? :)

Big Ron
29-01-2013, 10:52
I'm still so hyped for these tracks, still no indication when work on one of these might start? :)

Also hotly desired by me :)

Simon Kilmore
29-01-2013, 11:21
Got to be honest it is a little worrying that we've not heard a word on these for so long. Hopefully there aren't any big problems and they'll still happen.

Tiago Fortuna
29-01-2013, 11:33
I'm guessing we won't see them until close the end.

wizza
29-01-2013, 14:10
I have a funny feeling that work may have already started on these tracks. I have noticed a lot of closed or private events at Oulton Park this last month and nothing really happens there till mid February...I could be totally wrong of course but seeing its my local track i do know its odd to have so much activity in January :D

Tiago Fortuna
29-01-2013, 14:26
did you spot a certain wookie around? :D

ZiggyUK
29-01-2013, 14:36
Got to be honest it is a little worrying that we've not heard a word on these for so long. Hopefully there aren't any big problems and they'll still happen.

Patience, if SMS say they are going to do it then they will. Oh yea of little faith. Brands is my local but I am content to wait for the laser scan track rather than some half cocked version.

Ian Bell
29-01-2013, 16:25
We're finalising the costings with the winning scanning team now chaps. Nothing to worry about :)

Benjamin Fischer
29-01-2013, 16:29
I hope Marks company was also considered

Alex Hobbs
29-01-2013, 16:30
I wonder how long does a laser scanning take from beginning to ingame? Is it a complete every-blade-of-grass type thing or is it specifically for the road surface?

@Ian thanks for the info on behalf of us lot :D

Ian Bell
29-01-2013, 16:31
I hope Marks company was also considered

I'm not sure it was.

Mark, can you PM me their kit and costings please?

wizza
29-01-2013, 16:55
Will some of the SMS guys be there when the scanning takes place? It would be cool to meet some of you guys seeing as Oulton is only 30mins away lol :D

Ian Bell
29-01-2013, 16:58
Will some of the SMS guys be there when the scanning takes place? It would be cool to meet some of you guys seeing as Oulton is only 30mins away lol :D

I suspect at least a couple.

deadboy
29-01-2013, 17:00
Make some photos and share them with the community, guys. :)

wizza
29-01-2013, 17:00
doubt i'lll be let in tho lol

Mark Silcock
29-01-2013, 20:38
I'm not sure it was.

Mark, can you PM me their kit and costings please?

I will get onto it first thing in the morning.

Simon Kilmore
30-01-2013, 12:31
Will some of the SMS guys be there when the scanning takes place? It would be cool to meet some of you guys seeing as Oulton is only 30mins away lol :D

When Assetto Corsa devs had the Monza oval scanned one of their team accidentally got into the scans.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/78076_3997305224994_983626431_o.jpg

So Ian, where do you want to make your cameo? Mooning on the brow of the mountain at Cadwell? :p

Vic Kirby
27-02-2013, 08:11
When Assetto Corsa devs had the Monza oval scanned one of their team accidentally got into the scans.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/78076_3997305224994_983626431_o.jpg

So Ian, where do you want to make your cameo? Mooning on the brow of the mountain at Cadwell? :p

Would be nice to see this lazer tech use on what is left of Brooklands circuit after all it was the first purpose built race track in the world.
Brooklands - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklands)

Ian Bell
27-02-2013, 08:33
When Assetto Corsa devs had the Monza oval scanned one of their team accidentally got into the scans.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/78076_3997305224994_983626431_o.jpg

So Ian, where do you want to make your cameo? Mooning on the brow of the mountain at Cadwell? :p

I like it.

Ian Bell
27-02-2013, 08:35
Would be nice to see this lazer tech use on what is left of Brooklands circuit after all it was the first purpose built race track in the world.
Brooklands - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklands)

It would mainly be a supermarket unfortunately.

Stefan Hartmann
27-02-2013, 11:41
I'd definitely like a laserscanned supermarket. :)

Rob Prange
27-02-2013, 11:47
With laser-scanned horsemeat lasagna? :)

deadboy
27-02-2013, 12:18
I'd definitely like a laserscanned supermarket. :)
me too, but only if we get a '74 Dodge Monaco Sedan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdGxR-aU6o

;)

Steve Loader
06-05-2013, 01:07
Any progress on any of these yet?

Ryzza5
06-05-2013, 06:17
*scrolls up*

*scrolls back down*

Nope ;)

Dan Blamey
06-05-2013, 08:00
Any progress on any of these yet?

Yes!

But I'm just telling you what you want to hear...

Rob Prange
06-05-2013, 08:56
Any progress on any of these yet?

I know you are eager to hear news, but bumping threads asking for progress is not necessary. As soon as there is something to share, we will share it with you, don't worry :)

The forum is very busy as it is and bumps like this just add to the time it requires for everyone to keep up with everything.

Benjamin Fischer
06-05-2013, 09:07
But you can't deny that a bump from time to time helps squeezing out some info, so you can't blame people for trying :)

Bruno Alexandre
06-05-2013, 10:34
But you can't deny that a bump from time to time helps squeezing out some info, so you can't blame people for trying :)

I thought giving alchool to Andy G. did that :|

Steve Loader
08-05-2013, 19:36
I know you are eager to hear news, but bumping threads asking for progress is not necessary. As soon as there is something to share, we will share it with you, don't worry :)

The forum is very busy as it is and bumps like this just add to the time it requires for everyone to keep up with everything.

Apologies, I only asked because Ian said we would be "...moving on these soon" half a year ago and the end is drawing near....

Alex Hobbs
08-05-2013, 19:39
I only asked because Ian said we would be "...moving on these soon" half a year ago.

Last we heard they were still deciding who did the laser scanning They'd decided on someone but some guy here wanted their company to do it instead, might have pushed things back a bit.

vacant
10-05-2013, 09:22
I absolutely cant wait for a laser-scanned oulton, so hope they do appear as soon as they can!:)

PAULAO
03-07-2013, 12:40
Slightly Mad Studios have signed an agreement with Motorsport Vision to include four of their British Circuits in C.A.R.S.

The tracks will be laser-scanned for a maximum of authenticity and accuracy. To find out more about the four new tracks, follow the link to the frontpage story below.

Four Motorsport Vision Tracks Coming to C.A.R.S. (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/four-motorsport-vision-tracks-coming-to-c-a-r-s/)


Amazing!!
But I'm sad to be in love with Brazilian motorsports lover CARS project and the same, did not offer me any Brazilian circuit.

Tiago Fortuna
03-07-2013, 17:58
Why DLC was invented :p I still hope for Estoril and Portimão. Tem fé irmão :)

Antonio_Roberto
04-07-2013, 07:35
There is speculation that it could enter the INTERLAGOS pCARS, we will wait

wizza
23-11-2013, 00:26
Any news updates on the MSV tracks? Just wondering what their status was :D

FLX81
23-11-2013, 11:27
October 2012: Moving on these soon.
January 2013: Finalizing scanning cost.
Some time ago: A mysterious Andy G. "I cant believe Rob let go of the Brands Hatch secret!" tease.

So hopefully they were scanned sometime during this year. They need to be in the base game me thinks, they would add so incredibly much for the career mode, all of them. Plus they would be 3 great tracks no other AAA title has! :D

Simon Kilmore
23-11-2013, 11:33
Well, the track guys have been rather quiet on here these last few months................

Martin G Webb
23-11-2013, 12:29
My apologies if this has already been brought up but in regard to the cover story -

Where in the UK are Ceshire or Norfold ??

We have counties called Cheshire and Norfolk . . . .

Casimir Bonnet
25-11-2013, 12:14
Can't wait these tracks are released, this is really a good news.
Do we have any ETA for this?

Bruno Alexandre
25-11-2013, 13:06
If there were any news or updates we would have posted by now :)

Simon Mallett
25-11-2013, 13:40
I to am really looking forward to these too :)

Done a few Motorcycle track days at Cadwell Park :)

Max Franchelli
25-11-2013, 13:48
first full screenshot

114375

Rob Prange
25-11-2013, 13:57
Arcade.

Max Franchelli
25-11-2013, 14:11
is LOD:a05:

mogens
25-11-2013, 15:52
If there were any news or updates we would have posted by now :)

Sorry, I don´t wish to be rude, but it this the kind of answer we may expect every time someone from the community - out of common interest - asks for an update on a car, a track, a feature or whatever?

I know this forum is different - we are expected to give feed-back rather than asking questions. However, I think that we should appreciate that people are so passionate about this project, that they care about the progress of this project and ask questions about it. It´s an important reason why this forum is very much alive.

Bruno - I know your history here and I am so delighted to see the opportunity you´ve got, becoming "one of the blue" - you have really deserved it, but your role have changed now.

Back in the days when you were a community ambassador, you frequently gave the same kind of answer, when somebody asked for an update on a specific issue. I guess it was your way of trying to "protect" the developers from "waisting time" on all sorts of questions from the community. To be honest I found it a bit annoying, since the developers or moderators could have answered by themselves, if they were unhappy with the situation.

One of the real strenghts of this project and what makes it truly unique, is the interaction between the members and the developers. Bruno - now that you have turned blue, please don´t try to discourage people from doing this by this kind of statement. It´s what we have come to expect from companies like Simbin, but definately not from SMS:)

Cheers

Craig Martin
25-11-2013, 16:04
^^+1^^ The thread hadn't been bumped for 4 months so you can hardly say it was an "are we there yet?" type of question. Come on Bruno, give the guy a break.

Rob Prange
25-11-2013, 16:36
Still, these questions are somewhat pointless I'm afraid. We don't hold back progress reports or news so if there hasn't been an update on something it either means there's nothing new to report or (for example when it comes to licensing affairs) that we can't comment on the current progress for various reasons.

So 95% of the time, the answers to this type of questions are bound to be the same, causing an unnecessary bump of the thread that might get people's hopes up for no reason.

gogoger
25-11-2013, 19:54
not "get ppl's hopes up".. they are up, bc these tracks were announced a long time ago and "they" are all eagerly waiting.. nothing bad about that, it's a compliment to the good choice of tracks ;)

Steve Loader
25-11-2013, 20:44
Is "What caused the development of these tracks to go off the rails?" a valid question? I'm sure someone knows the answer & it's probably better not be cagey with these kind of things when there's under a year left to go, after all we're invested members in the project too. Having said that I obviously do have faith in the project, respect reasons for not saying things (as long as there's good reasons for not saying them) and like occasional surprises - so I won't ask again until at least early next year. :)

Rob Prange
25-11-2013, 20:47
Is "What caused the development of these tracks to go off the rails?" a valid question? I'm sure someone knows the answer & it's probably better not be cagey with these kind of things when there's under a year left to go, after all we're invested members in the project too. Having said that I obviously do have faith in the project, respect reasons for not saying things (as long as there's good reasons for not saying them) and like occasional surprises - so I won't ask again until at least early next year. :)

It's the same as with the questions regarding "when will car xyz be worked on?". It often times depends on things that are out of our control, especially when other parties are involved, things need to be scheduled etc.

I'm going to hold you on that promise btw. :)

C3PO
26-11-2013, 13:39
Great tracks!

Casimir Bonnet
26-11-2013, 14:14
Let me explain a bit more on my questions :
I was asking how far we've (you) gone on these new tracks, because it has been a long time we heard about and because it's using such great technologies to construct the tracks (you know, laser system to get each details of the track, perfect curbs and so on..) so it's interesting to know how the development is going.
My purpose was absolutely not to dig in this thread and give again this feeling of "YAY AN UPDATE, because i'll ask they will work again on this and give me the answers!!".

One point we can feel, there, at our place of "just member", is that we're completely lost on what's going on this time for the game; what's going to be for the couples of weeks/month, how much guys are working on...

In my opinion, we don't ask for an exact ETA or anything like that, but having quite general (bi?)monthly milestone would be so great to have an idea of what's going on the project we carry on our heart!

And if this question are not to be asked, we won't anymore, but don't expect deep investment from the community.

Andy Garton
26-11-2013, 15:02
I don't have an issue with people asking, beyond the extra forum traffic it creates. I'm afraid we're not going to reply to every question with the same answer ("no change") though, we don't have time for that. So please take no answer as meaning no change :)

gogoger
26-11-2013, 15:29
the evolution of expectation

:a34: ... :a03: ... :a05: ... :a35: ... :a32:... :a15: ... :a12: ... :a43: ... :a05: ... :a43: ... :a34:

j/k

wizza
27-11-2013, 12:01
They are coming the blue team should be near me soon hehehe and I need to get my camera out again.

Aldo Zampatti
27-11-2013, 14:13
I don't have an issue with people asking, beyond the extra forum traffic it creates. I'm afraid we're not going to reply to every question with the same answer ("no change") though, we don't have time for that. So please take no answer as meaning no change :)

I would rather think "no news good news" better :)

Andy Garton
27-11-2013, 14:22
No news is good news. Those four tracks will be in the game, and laser scanned. What's not to like?

Alex Hobbs
27-11-2013, 14:44
Since the last info from the devs was that these tracks are being considered for DLC, is that still in limbo? FWIW I'd prefer to have all four (though cadwell isn't that popular, it could be omitted if necessary, and maybe snetterton) to be in the base game.

Dillyracer
27-11-2013, 14:46
That's the only thing I'd like to know, because I really want those four tracks in the basegame. So many TOCA memories.

C3PO
27-11-2013, 17:36
Been to both Brands and Snetterton -- fantastic tracks. Oulton is also awesome. These are classic GT racing circuits, as well as some having a rich single seater heritage. Big fan of these four. Nice work.

Lewis Hills
27-11-2013, 19:39
No news is good news. Those four tracks will be in the game, and laser scanned. What's not to like?

That's all I needed to know :p

*Retreats back into cave*

cluck
28-11-2013, 12:19
Been to both Brands and Snetterton -- fantastic tracks. Oulton is also awesome. These are classic GT racing circuits, as well as some having a rich single seater heritage. Big fan of these four. Nice work.Likewise, but also driven Oulton and Cadwell, all in my old Nissan 200. Cadwell is a scary track to drive flat-out in, especially when it's wet (my car 'skipped' over a foot to the left, putting me within inches of wet grass and almost certain 'passenger ride into the tyre wall', at approx. 110mph up Park Straight, just where it crests) - it is also home to my only trackday 'off'. Amazing circuit though.

Snetterton never grabbed me like some other tracks. I loved the day I spent driving my car there, but it's never held as much appeal to 'return to' as some other tracks in the UK :(. Can't wait to drive it in pCARS though, especially as the layout has changed since I drove there :).

Brands is the only UK track I've been to more than once (think I went there 4 or 5 times in my 200SX) and although it seems like a simple track to learn, I guarantee most people will take the wrong line through a lot of the corners (just as I did until I was shown the error of my ways by one of the MSV instructors). Will make for some great racing in pCARS :).

Oulton remains my favourite of the four though and the one I am itching to go back to. Since my daily car is now exceedingly boring, driving it in pCARS will do just nicely :D.

C3PO
30-11-2013, 09:43
Likewise, but also driven Oulton and Cadwell, all in my old Nissan 200. Cadwell is a scary track to drive flat-out in, especially when it's wet (my car 'skipped' over a foot to the left, putting me within inches of wet grass and almost certain 'passenger ride into the tyre wall', at approx. 110mph up Park Straight, just where it crests) - it is also home to my only trackday 'off'. Amazing circuit though.

Snetterton never grabbed me like some other tracks. I loved the day I spent driving my car there, but it's never held as much appeal to 'return to' as some other tracks in the UK :(. Can't wait to drive it in pCARS though, especially as the layout has changed since I drove there :).

Brands is the only UK track I've been to more than once (think I went there 4 or 5 times in my 200SX) and although it seems like a simple track to learn, I guarantee most people will take the wrong line through a lot of the corners (just as I did until I was shown the error of my ways by one of the MSV instructors). Will make for some great racing in pCARS :).

Oulton remains my favourite of the four though and the one I am itching to go back to. Since my daily car is now exceedingly boring, driving it in pCARS will do just nicely :D.

Brown underwear time!

Re Brands, I remember having an instructor lesson before my race in a Seat Cupra and it was absolutely chucking it down. Heading up the Brabham straight and turning into PHB I was gentle on the gas and the instructor said "what are you doing -- more gas, more gas!!" so I floored it and amazingly the car stuck. Happy days.

cluck
30-11-2013, 10:36
Brown underwear time!

Re Brands, I remember having an instructor lesson before my race in a Seat Cupra and it was absolutely chucking it down. Heading up the Brabham straight and turning into PHB I was gentle on the gas and the instructor said "what are you doing -- more gas, more gas!!" so I floored it and amazingly the car stuck. Happy days.For both myself and the passenger, yep. It was only when I got back to the pits that I started shaking at 'what could have been'. Cadwell is a hell of a track though (translation : "I love it"!) and I'd love to go back and drive it in the dry :).

And re. "more gas", it's really eye opening discovering exactly what your car can do on a track. Your mind always tells you "yep, that's the limit" but what your mind tells you and what your car is actually capable of? Two entirely different things. I would recommend getting some instructor time to anybody who is planning on doing more than one trackday. For me, the eye opener was the same corner. The lateness of the braking, the violence with which I had to throw the wheel to the right (violent compared to road driving), the earliness of putting my foot flat to the floor, the immense grip my car had, all combined to have my eyes popping out like Marty Feldman. With a mile-wide grin too. Worth every penny (and more) of the £10 it cost :).

Ryno917
30-11-2013, 18:06
Since the last info from the devs was that these tracks are being considered for DLC, is that still in limbo? FWIW I'd prefer to have all four (though cadwell isn't that popular, it could be omitted if necessary, and maybe snetterton) to be in the base game.

Disagree about relegating Cadwell to DLC. It's the best of the four! If only 2 of the 4 make it into 1.0, my votes go to Cadwell and Brands Hatch. All four are great circuits, but Cadwell and Brands are the two best, imho. Cadwell would be one of the very few circuits that would cater to the lower powered street and open wheel cars in particular, very well. Most everything else we have is better for the big boys.

Plus, Cadwell has never been officially represented in a racing sim before, AFAIK.

C3PO
30-11-2013, 18:09
For both myself and the passenger, yep. It was only when I got back to the pits that I started shaking at 'what could have been'. Cadwell is a hell of a track though (translation : "I love it"!) and I'd love to go back and drive it in the dry :).

And re. "more gas", it's really eye opening discovering exactly what your car can do on a track. Your mind always tells you "yep, that's the limit" but what your mind tells you and what your car is actually capable of? Two entirely different things. I would recommend getting some instructor time to anybody who is planning on doing more than one trackday. For me, the eye opener was the same corner. The lateness of the braking, the violence with which I had to throw the wheel to the right (violent compared to road driving), the earliness of putting my foot flat to the floor, the immense grip my car had, all combined to have my eyes popping out like Marty Feldman. With a mile-wide grin too. Worth every penny (and more) of the £10 it cost :).

I can quantify it in the wet -- the car is capable of 50% more than what you think the car might be capable of in the wet. That was my biggest surprise of all.

Alex Hobbs
30-11-2013, 19:07
Disagree about relegating Cadwell to DLC. It's the best of the four! If only 2 of the 4 make it into 1.0, my votes go to Cadwell and Brands Hatch. All four are great circuits, but Cadwell and Brands are the two best, imho. Cadwell would be one of the very few circuits that would cater to the lower powered street and open wheel cars in particular, very well. Most everything else we have is better for the big boys.

Plus, Cadwell has never been officially represented in a racing sim before, AFAIK.

While I agree it is the best of the four, it is also the least popular. Also rfactor has a brilliant Cadwell.

Simon Kilmore
30-11-2013, 20:29
I personally think when it comes to adding circuits if you have to prioritise (..and pretty much every dev does, since time and money are not infinite) I think that you have to prioritise on usage and popularity. As cool and unique a track Cadwell is of the four it's the least useful when you consider our entire car list and career structure, and for a worldwide audience it will also be the least popular/well known, I'd imagine.

Joshua Healy
01-12-2013, 22:06
I personally think when it comes to adding circuits if you have to prioritise (..and pretty much every dev does, since time and money are not infinite) I think that you have to prioritise on usage and popularity. As cool and unique a track Cadwell is of the four it's the least useful when you consider our entire car list and career structure, and for a worldwide audience it will also be the least popular/well known, I'd imagine.

But if you don't look to include unique tracks like Cadwell, you end up with the same "Silverstone/Monza/Spa" type combo's you see in most other racing games, when that happens someone might not see the point of getting pCARS because it wont offer anything new.

Alex Hobbs
01-12-2013, 22:13
But if you don't look to include unique tracks like Cadwell, you end up with the same "Silverstone/Monza/Spa" type combo's you see in most other racing games, when that happens someone might not see the point of getting pCARS because it wont offer anything new.

We have solitude, bannochbrae, stowe, and a number of other tracks that arent in other games.

xez
01-12-2013, 22:18
Disagree about relegating Cadwell to DLC. It's the best of the four! If only 2 of the 4 make it into 1.0, my votes go to Cadwell and Brands Hatch. All four are great circuits, but Cadwell and Brands are the two best, imho. Cadwell would be one of the very few circuits that would cater to the lower powered street and open wheel cars in particular, very well. Most everything else we have is better for the big boys.

Plus, Cadwell has never been officially represented in a racing sim before, AFAIK.

+1 from me. Cadwell in base game please. It's a fantastic track.

Joshua Healy
01-12-2013, 22:24
We have solitude, bannochbrae, stowe, and a number of other tracks that arent in other games.

And they are great additions, and ones that will set us apart from Forza Turismo 7... Cadwell being one of those unique tracks.
Cadwell is probably one of the best "lesser known" tracks to put in the game for it's early career usability.

xez
01-12-2013, 22:34
Cadwell is also a perfect place to race our track day cars.

Mmmmmm… BAC Mono/Caterhams/Ariel Atoms @ Cadwell = :a37:

FLX81
02-12-2013, 00:12
We have solitude, bannochbrae, stowe, and a number of other tracks that arent in other games.

Ian already said a while ago that Solitude will be DLC. :( And for what its worth, I dont think you can count fictional tracks like Bannochbrae in the "unique tracks noone else has" category. And lastly, Stowe will be in GT6.

Unique tracks we have that no other current AAA realistic racing game/sim has are Oulton, Cadwell, Snetterton, Donington, Brno, Watkins Glen, Road America, Dubai, Zuhai and maybe/hopefully Macau and Ruapuna, if they can make them in time.

Ryno917
02-12-2013, 15:09
And they are great additions, and ones that will set us apart from Forza Turismo 7... Cadwell being one of those unique tracks.
Cadwell is probably one of the best "lesser known" tracks to put in the game for it's early career usability.

Exactly my point. We don't really have any other early career circuits that I can think of off the top of my head, except for short variations of larger circuits. Places like Cadwell are perfect for early career, track-days, street cars, etc.

cluck
02-12-2013, 17:08
Ryno - All 4 are perfect for novices and trackday/street cars to be honest :).

My first ever trackday was on Brands Hatch Indy circuit (albeit only for a couple of hours in an evening), followed by a full day at Oulton Park as my second. Snetterton felt like a very straight-forward circuit to drive pretty damn fast at (especially the long back straight - just over 1KM at the time if I remember correctly) so, again, very good for novices. Cadwell is by far the most challenging track to drive of the 4 here, especially so in the wet - I cannot stress how tight and scary some sections of the track feel - Cadwell is the only track I've felt nervous at when driving :o. I definitely think Cadwell is a trackday that you build up to driving, rather than going in headfirst.

Brands Indy still stands out as possible the finest 'novice driver' proper racetrack that the UK has to offer. Here's what it felt like to drive it in my old Nissan 200. Approx. 350hp and 350ft/lb torque, rear wheel drive, massively upgraded brakes, street tyres and mildly uprated suspension :-

Cross the start line, foot flat to the floor. A quick check of the mirrors before braking hard for Paddock Hill Bend. Leave it as late as possible before throwing the steering wheel right, hard, and start the descent. Get on the power early and let the car take it's line, drifting over to the left of the track. Feel the 'whump' of your gut dropping when you hit the bottom of Paddock Hill and then quickly rise up to the right-hander hairpin of Druids. Brake hard and turn in earlier than you think. Take a mid-line through the bend, easing the power in gently before straightening the wheel and flooring it down the hill towards Graham Hill bend. A slight dab of the brakes and chuck the steering wheel left before it's back on full power again for Cooper Straight. Not for long though and it's off the power and a dab of brakes ready to swing left into Surtees, then quickly back to the right through Clearways. Hold the speed through Clearways before flooring it through Clark Curve. Let the car naturally move out to the left side of the circuit, still with your foot flat to the floor down Brabham Straight. And across the line.

How long did it take you to read the last paragraph? Probably longer than it took me to do a lap at Brands Hatch Indy.


Here's my recollection of Cadwell Park :

****, I'm going to die. Suppose I'd better turn the engine on. ****, this track is going to kill me. Hmmm, best actually pull onto the circuit. ****, I want my mummy, I'm scared*.
* Repeat for 8 hours.

:D.


Really really really looking forward to seeing all 4 at some point in pCARS.

Mark Silcock
02-12-2013, 17:39
Ian already said a while ago that Solitude will be DLC. :( And for what its worth, I dont think you can count fictional tracks like Bannochbrae in the "unique tracks noone else has" category. And lastly, Stowe will be in GT6.

Unique tracks we have that no other current AAA realistic racing game/sim has are Oulton, Cadwell, Snetterton, Donington, Brno, Watkins Glen, Road America, Dubai, Zuhai and maybe/hopefully Macau and Ruapuna, if they can make them in time.


Exactly my point. We don't really have any other early career circuits that I can think of off the top of my head, except for short variations of larger circuits. Places like Cadwell are perfect for early career, track-days, street cars, etc.

Ruapuna will be DLC as well I would say. Would depend on the NZV8ST license which isn't dead but very little has happened since Suzy left with that one :( Hopefully Joachim Jones can pick the batten up.

I can imagine an Asia Pacific DLC pack with Macau, Ruapuna, NZV8ST's, another Aussie track and a series from Asia.

Ryno917
02-12-2013, 18:04
Here's my recollection of Cadwell Park :

****, I'm going to die. Suppose I'd better turn the engine on. ****, this track is going to kill me. Hmmm, best actually pull onto the circuit. ****, I want my mummy, I'm scared*.
* Repeat for 8 hours.

:D.

Exactly. ;)

I love that place. Wish I had an opportunity to visit it in person.

Umer Ahmad
02-12-2013, 18:40
This is awesome, I'm definitely excited about these tracks, if not for the laser scanning quality in itself.

However, were it not for the Shift games i would never have known about Brands Hatch (nor Donington via this project). In the US we hardly get any TV coverage of these tracks and zero coverage of the Asian tracks (save Suzuka for F1).

These tracks are great for the euro-centric consumer, but Americans and Asians may not share the level of enhusiasm due to lack of real or gaming experience.

Neil Hopwood
02-12-2013, 18:47
Ruapuna will be DLC as well I would say. Would depend on the NZV8ST license which isn't dead but very little has happened since Suzy left with that one :( Hopefully Joachim Jones can pick the batten up.

I can imagine an Asia Pacific DLC pack with Macau, Ruapuna, NZV8ST's, another Aussie track and a series from Asia.

Glad to hear the NZV8ST's deal isn't dead. I'm still looking forward to that.

Mark Silcock
02-12-2013, 18:58
Glad to hear the NZV8ST's deal isn't dead. I'm still looking forward to that.

Well both parties are still keen they just haven't started talking to each other about it since Suzy left :P

And unfortunately I am not as skilled as PetrolHD in these matters :)

Ryno917
02-12-2013, 19:42
This is awesome, I'm definitely excited about these tracks, if not for the laser scanning quality in itself.

However, were it not for the Shift games i would never have known about Brands Hatch (nor Donington via this project). In the US we hardly get any TV coverage of these tracks and zero coverage of the Asian tracks (save Suzuka for F1).

These tracks are great for the euro-centric consumer, but Americans and Asians may not share the level of enhusiasm due to lack of real or gaming experience.

That's why I love the internet. I don't even remember how I first heard of Cadwell Park, but I came across it sometime and I love it. Donington is a huge circuit though, with international acclaim. How long have you been a racing fan? I guess anyone who's only gotten into racing in the last ~7 or 8 years, or only watches NASCAR, may not have heard of it. I'm still surprised you hadn't heard of it before, though. Same goes for Brands. Both very well-known circuits internationally. :)

Sometimes I forget that not everyone here has been into racing for some ~25 years. :a03:

Are Leistad
02-12-2013, 19:55
I'm stoked for these tracks! There's just something about those British tracks... :)

Umer Ahmad
02-12-2013, 21:03
That's why I love the internet. I don't even remember how I first heard of Cadwell Park, but I came across it sometime and I love it. Donington is a huge circuit though, with international acclaim. How long have you been a racing fan? I guess anyone who's only gotten into racing in the last ~7 or 8 years, or only watches NASCAR, may not have heard of it. I'm still surprised you hadn't heard of it before, though. Same goes for Brands. Both very well-known circuits internationally. :)

Sometimes I forget that not everyone here has been into racing for some ~25 years. :a03:
It's very North America oriented in the US. The only coverage we get of international racing today are the F1 circuits.

In the past couple of years if one was lucky enough to subscribe to the SpeedTV channel, it was possible to catch previous season DTM and BTCC races. But even that channel is gone now. I have never seen SuperGT or any Asian racing on my TV, total blackout which is sad.

Hannes Wetterauer
02-12-2013, 21:36
Just check Youtube! :)

DTM Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/DTMde)

Super GT Channel (http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCPh_Dm1uk2h8)

FIA GT Series Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/gt1world)

WEC Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/FIAWEC)

ADAC GT Masters Channel (http://www.youtube.com/channel/HCIlE2uwUPajg)

VLN Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/VLNOFFICIAL)

And so on... you're welcome & have fun! :D

Rob Prange
03-12-2013, 01:13
And we should end this off topic excursion right here.. :)

TwistedNav
03-12-2013, 09:14
It will only take those people who don't know Cadwell a few sessions on it before they love it and fear it as much as those of us who are familiar with it.

Andy Garton
16-12-2013, 16:27
I'm happy to say we received the scan data for Brands Hatch and Oulton Park today. Scan plans are being made for the other MSV tracks too.

Nelson Pacheco
16-12-2013, 16:33
Andy that's so good news :) I almost believe again in Santa Cuf cuf

Are Leistad
16-12-2013, 16:39
I'm happy to say we received the scan data for Brands Hatch and Oulton Park today. Scan plans are being made for the other MSV tracks too.
Oh yes! It's the stuff of x-mas moods!

117794

Christiaan van Beilen
16-12-2013, 16:46
I'm happy to say we received the scan data for Brands Hatch and Oulton Park today. Scan plans are being made for the other MSV tracks too.

Congrats on getting the data. :)
I hope it is all you guys hoped for.
Maybe we can get a loft in the sky at some point (Christmas or most likely new Years). Though I don't wish to stress Luis or the rest. Christmas is already stressful enough by itself after all.

Dillyracer
16-12-2013, 17:00
I'm happy to say we received the scan data for Brands Hatch and Oulton Park today. Scan plans are being made for the other MSV tracks too.

Party time!

cluck
16-12-2013, 17:09
^^^ what he said, great news :)

Simon Kilmore
16-12-2013, 20:32
Great stuff! I hope we get Oulton first, haven't played that in a game (non-mod) for years, the old ToCA games probably.

Marcel Spuehler
16-12-2013, 21:22
Great News!

Was playing GT6 at Brands Hatch and the only thing i was thinking all the Time during the Race:
How stunning will this track look, if we can finally drive it in pCars :a06:

Casimir Bonnet
20-12-2013, 20:41
Love you guys!!!
Nothing more to say, maybe a "thank you" in addition ;)

Lewis Hills
21-12-2013, 19:38
Oh god its so good.